The Lineage

Where this work
comes from

Payam does not practise in isolation. Everything he brings to the mat has roots — in teachers he sought out during his own darkest years, in traditions that have held this knowledge for centuries, and in a body of public work that has been tested in front of physicians, surgeons, and researchers across three continents.

This page is for those who want to go deeper — into the people whose thinking lives inside his work, the public lectures and conversations where he speaks directly, and the research that grounds this practice in something verifiable. The lineage is the foundation. What is built on it is what matters.

Conversations

Podcasts &
public interviews

The most direct way to understand how Payam thinks and speaks is to hear him in conversation. These interviews span trauma therapy, IFS, chronic pain, the nature of sacred medicines, and the relationship between shamanic and Western practice.

Mental Health in a Modern World · Greg Schmaus

Soul Blueprint, Shamanic Initiation & The Vocation That Chooses You

Payam's most recent conversation — and one of his most expansive. Recorded with longtime collaborator Greg Schmaus, this episode covers the distinction between organic and synthetic medicines, why initiation cannot be purchased or certified, the soul blueprint versus the social construct, the absence of initiation in Western culture, and the vocation of medicine work as something that chooses the carrier rather than the reverse. Includes a rare opening prayer and a direct account of navigating the spirit realm in ceremony.

The Born Free Method · Dr Nathan Riley

You Are the Church: Psychedelics Within and Without Ceremony

One of Payam's most direct conversations on the nature of spiritual authority, the hollow bone principle, and the difference between insight medicines and spirit medicines. The phrase "you are the church" — the most disruptive thing he says to people who are still looking for healing outside themselves — is the centrepiece of this episode.

Going Inside · John Clark Therapy

IFS and Psychedelics with Payam — Parts I & II

The most technically precise conversations in Payam's public work — with trauma therapist and IFS practitioner John Clark. Covers the five gram protocol critique, informed consent with the managers, the snow globe metaphor for ADHD, dissociator parts in ceremony, the Karpman triangle, ketamine-MDMA combination, and what hollow bone means translated into IFS language. Essential listening for any clinician considering this field.

Spirit Gym · Paul Chek

Plant Medicines: Sacred Tools or Doors to Healing?

A wide-ranging conversation with holistic health pioneer Paul Chek — the most biographical of Payam's public interviews. Covers the thorn in the soul, the difference between insight medicines and spirit medicines, earth people versus cloud people, and why Payam would choose his suffering again if given the choice.

The One Inside · Tammy Sollenberger

IFS and Relationship with Sacred Psychedelic Medicines

A conversation specifically for the IFS community — exploring the synthesis of IFS and psychedelic medicine, the top-down limitation of verbal protocol, and what Payam calls healing the thorn in the soul.

Psychedelics & Trauma · Dr Rachel Mann

Healing Trauma with Psychedelics

A clinical conversation on the intersection of trauma therapy and psychedelic medicine — exploring what makes the container, not the compound, the determinant of healing outcomes.

Psychedelic Club

Above Ground Psychedelic Practice? Psychedelic Club asks Payam

Psychedelic Medical News · Jon Clark

Can Psychedelics Revolutionize Chronic-Pain Treatment?

Public Work

Lectures & academic
presentations

Payam has presented his work at medical conferences, universities, and psychedelic research institutions across the United States, Europe, and Latin America — bringing the intersection of shamanic medicine and Western therapeutic practice to clinical and academic audiences.

Yale University · 2022

Integrative Holistic Ceremonial Use of MDMA

Presented to the Yale community on the ceremonial and integrative use of MDMA — the spiritual, somatic, and psychological dimensions that clinical protocols typically leave unaddressed.

Brooklyn Psychedelic Society · New York · 2023

Synchronicity Conference

Presented at one of the United States' leading psychedelic research and community gatherings — exploring the relationship between IFS, somatic medicine, and sacred plant medicines in the treatment of trauma.

California Nurse Anesthetists Association · Berkeley · 2022

Psychedelics, Trauma & Chronic Pain

Presented to 500 clinical professionals at the CANA Annual Conference — making the case for psychedelic-assisted approaches to chronic pain and trauma within a medical audience.

International Hernia Conference · Costa Rica · 2022

Plant Medicines for the Healing of Physicians

Presented to an international surgical audience in Costa Rica on the potential of plant medicines to address the unacknowledged trauma carried by the medical profession itself.

American Hernia Society · Austin TX · 2021

Psychedelic-Assisted Psychotherapy for Trauma & Chronic Pain

An early and significant medical presentation — bringing psychedelic-assisted approaches to a mainstream surgical audience, reporting on the nature of pain through the unitary mind-body paradigm.

University of Western Australia · Collaborative

Healing Trauma with Psychedelics — A Somatic Lens

A conversation with Tobias Penno MSW exploring psychedelic-assisted trauma healing through the somatic lens — examining what happens in the body during medicine work and why the body must be included in any meaningful account of healing.

Cal State Fullerton

Depression, Psychedelics & Internal Family Systems Therapy

An academic exploration of the intersection of IFS therapy and psychedelic-assisted work in the treatment of depression — examining how the two frameworks inform and deepen each other.

General Surgery News

The Use of Psychedelic Agents for the Management of Chronic Pain & Trauma

Published in General Surgery News — bringing the conversation about psychedelic-assisted approaches to chronic pain into one of the primary publications of the surgical profession.

The Teachers

The work that
informs this work

These are not influences Payam discovered in a reading list. He sought them out because he was suffering and needed to understand what had happened to him. The lineage found him before he found it. Each person below contributed something that became part of how he works.

Be Here Now · Seva Foundation

Dr Richard Alpert — Ram Dass

Spiritual Teacher · Pioneer of Psychedelic Consciousness

Ram Dass is Payam's spiritual teacher and guide. The understanding that consciousness extends beyond the individual, that the soul is not the personality, that suffering can be a teacher rather than an enemy — all of this was seeded through Ram Dass. He is the lineage that connects the medicines to the spirit rather than the clinic.

Compassionate Inquiry

Dr Gabor Maté

Physician · Author · Trauma & Addiction Specialist

Gabor Maté was among the first voices Payam encountered who named what he had been living — the relationship between childhood trauma, the body, and the illnesses and addictions that grow from unprocessed pain. Maté's work confirmed what the medicines had shown: the question is never why the addiction, always why the pain.

"All research is me-search." The only honest starting point for understanding human suffering is your own.
Internal Family Systems

Dr Richard Schwartz

Founder of IFS · Author of No Bad Parts

IFS gave Payam the language for what he had experienced and the framework within which Western seekers could understand their own interior. The concept of self — the essential, unharmed witness at the centre of every person — is the bridge between the shamanic and the therapeutic. Schwartz built the bridge. Payam walks it.

"Every part of you makes sense. No part of you is bad. The self that has never been harmed is always there — waiting to be accessed."
IFS & Creating Healing Circles

Chris Burris

LMFT · Senior Lead Trainer IFS Institute

Chris Burris is Payam's closest active collaborator in the project of bridging IFS and shamanic medicine. Through Weave, they are building the formal language that allows IFS therapists to understand what it means to be in hollow bone — the shamanic principle of the facilitator as empty vessel — within the framework they already know. This is ongoing work and it matters: without this bridge, IFS practitioners entering medicine space carry a model that has no account of what the facilitator must become in order to hold ceremony safely.

Somatic Experiencing

Dr Peter Levine

Founder of Somatic Experiencing · Author of Waking the Tiger

Levine's work gave Payam the understanding of how trauma lives in the body — not as memory, but as arrested biological response. The nervous system's incomplete survival patterns, held in the body long after the danger has passed, are what the medicines open and what somatic practice helps complete. The body is not a symptom of the trauma. It is the site of healing.

Post Graduate Education

The formation
behind the practice

Payam's formation is not self-taught. Every modality he brings to the mat has a teacher, an institution, and a rigorous training behind it. These are not courses taken for credentials — they are the result of a practitioner seeking to understand his own experience and build something he could stand behind. This is the full record of that formation.

Direct Trainings
Internal Family Systems — Online Circle Dr Richard Schwartz · IFS Institute
Compassionate Inquiry Dr Gabor Maté
Existential Well-Being Dr Mia Leijssen · KU Leuven
Somatic & Embodiment Practitioner Dr Isa Gucciardi · Embodied Philosophy
Psychedelic Integration Dr Isa Gucciardi · Embodied Philosophy
Creating Healing Circles Chris Burris
IFS Intensive Ireland Chris Burris
Post-Graduate Courses
Nonlinear Dynamical Psychiatry and Blue Universe Theory Dr Terrence Early · Cottage Hospital, Santa Barbara CA
Working with Traumatic Memory & Fear National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine
Advanced Master Program on the Treatment of Trauma National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine
The Embodied Brain — Neuroplasticity and the Mind Body Nalanda Institute for Contemplative Science
MDMA-Assisted Therapy Horizons & MAPS
Psilocybin-Assisted Therapy Horizons & Johns Hopkins University
Buddhism and Modern Psychology Robert Wright · Princeton University
Demystifying Mindfulness Dr Chris Goto-Jones · University of Leiden
The Science of Well-Being Dr Laurie Santos · Yale University
Internal Body Mind Family Systems Susan McConnell · The Embody Lab

Clinical Research & Institutions

The institutional
and scientific grounding

For those who want to understand the evidence base behind this work — the clinical trials, the research institutions, and the published literature that has brought psychedelic medicine into the mainstream conversation.

Institutions
MAPS — Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies Leading clinical research body on MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD
Johns Hopkins Center for Psychedelic & Consciousness Research Psilocybin research for depression, addiction, and end-of-life care
IFS Institute — Dr Richard Schwartz Training, research and resources for Internal Family Systems
Somatic Experiencing International Training and resources for SE — Dr Peter Levine's method
Dr Gabor Maté — Compassionate Inquiry Trauma, addiction, and the mind-body connection
Published Research & Reading
Psychedelic-Assisted Psychotherapy — A Systematic Review Peer-reviewed · Associated Psychological Interventions
Psychedelic Agents for the Management of Chronic Pain & Trauma General Surgery News · Payam & Jon Clark
MDMA Shows Promise as a PTSD Treatment NPR · Health reporting on MAPS Phase 3 trials
A Dose of Hope — Dr Dan Engle Book · MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in practice
IFS & MDMA — MAPS Treatment Manual MAPS · MDMA-assisted psychotherapy protocol

The Next Step

The lineage is the foundation

The Work is what builds.

If what you have found here has deepened your sense that this is the right direction, the next step is a conversation — not a commitment, not an application. A conversation, to understand where you are and whether this is the right moment and the right fit.